In other contexts, pneuma is translated as Spirit, as in Matthew 10:20, “ἀλλὰ τὸ πνεῦμα τοῦ πατρὸς”, which means “(For it is not you who speak) but the Spirit of your Father (KJV). Heresy. The New King James, following the lead of virtually all modern translations, says, “take not Your Holy Spirit from me,” making the assumption that David was indwelt with the person of the Holy Ghost, a questionable position at best. There is a “spirit of the living God” and a “Holy Ghost,” and we should keep these separate. My conjecture is that ghost (or goost) came from an Anglo-Saxon form for “spirit” related to the German “Geist.” The translators were looking for a way to distinguish the Third Person of the Trinity, from the manifestation of God—his breath, his will—given in the Old Testament. Spirits move – ghosts hover. Principales traductions: Anglais: Français: Holy Spirit n noun: Refers to person, place, thing, quality, etc. There are other examples of dubious ‘precision’ in the AV, so regardless of Theological bias, I don’t feel that explaining translation variance as precision overrides the ministry of the Holy Spirit to “Teach us all things”. Now go and share the joy that you have from being Catholic. And Matt, I always get the undertone of phantom when I hear “ghost”…that’s why I looked into the etymology. You must have had a disconcerting Holy Thursday when Pope Francis washed the feet of an unveiled woman and a man practicing a religion whose idiot zealots like to kill Christians. I think He knew exactly what He was saying, God makes NO mistakes. Mikecold: why calling them. Francis Liberman, a Jewish convert who sought to serve black slaves in the West Indies. bright wings”. Of course not. It was a happy and inspiring occasion; he received athletic and academic honors (a grandfather is allowed to brag), and the graduation talks were well delivered, moving, and spirit-filled (unlike many I’ve attended as recipient or in an academic audience).**. If that’s the case, I’m perfectly confused. It is no surprise to you that God has a spirit, and the “spirit of God” is much different than the “Holy Spirit.” That is, the spirit of God (or spirit of the Lord) is not necessarily the third Person of the Trinity. Taylor Marshall posted a piece about this on his blog several months ago. . speak of the prayers, the Glory Be, the Sign of the Cross, etc. Before time & space, the Holy Trinity always was. Each of these three is God in itself with Jesus being separate and in relation with God the father. Now they are saying the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are exactly the same thing, but let’s get rid of the Holy Ghost cause it scares people. (Christian trinity: Holy Spirit) (Religion) Saint-Esprit nm nom masculin: s'utilise avec les articles "le", "l'" (devant une voyelle ou un h muet), "un". However, the capitalization of both words indicates the third Person rather than the Father’s spirit. mpav, I thought pre-Vatican II liturgies were in Latin? However, don’t be quick to dismiss the KJV because it uses an antiquated or inappropriate word. But in reality, linguistically speaking, the two words mean the same thing, it is the connotation that separates the two. Changing the Holy Ghost to the Holy Spirit after Vatican II was merely a way to diminish his role in the Trinity as a person, since ‘ghost’ is always associated with a person, but ‘spirit’ can be associated with a thought or an attitude (such as “team spirit”). Since a "spirit" is eternal, God can be a Holy Spirit. Should we then reject the Old Testament as incomplete? *The Congregation of the Holy Spirit (known as the Spiritans) was founded in 1703 by Claude des Places, and revitalized after the French Revolution in 1848 by Fr. The Novus Ordo “Church” is a Protestant church of darkness which has eclipsed the Holy Catholic Church. Learn how your comment data is processed. God is a Trinity of Persons, each distinct, and a Unity of Substance (consubstantial). Going first to the original languages, Hebrew and New Testament Greek, we find the following. While corroborating and explaining the testimony of Scripture, Tradition brings more clearly before us the various stages of the development of this doctrine. It is the only thing like itself and the only thing that could turn a nebula into a sun and will into existence … Your dream sheet of bygone years is almost sad In the Wycliffe translation (1395) there is “sche was founde hauynge of the holy goost in the wombe” (Matt 1:18, The Bible Corner). There are several ‘new’ religions that love the use of ‘Holy Spirit’ because then they can claim that God is one, the ‘holy spirit’ is only God’s power or force, otherwise a ‘spirit’ or wind. The Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost,) is the third divine person of The Trinity. Most people assume that Holy Ghost is simply an antiquated name for the Holy Spirit, and that Spirit is less ghastly than Ghost. Only God has angels in this sense. I was married at 15…. Francis Libermann, cofounder of the order C.S.Sp (Congregation of the Holy Spirit–Spiritans*), “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth.” John 16:13 (KJV), “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” Psalm 51 (KJV), “Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” John 14:26 (KJV), “And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life . Words do have effects. https://dispensationalpublishing.com/the-holy-ghost-or-the-holy-spirit (See my earlier post “Should we shun the God of the Old Testament? There is no perfect translation including the KJV, but God’s word is sure. The Eastern Rites might “feel” older in their look, etc., but the Roman Rite is older textually and its essential development (the Canon) ceased by 7th century, while the Eastern Rites continued theirs until the 11th. Even the modern AntiPopes still write in Latin. Christians are holy because of their calling in Christ, because of His atonement for their sins, and because of the continual ministrations of the Holy Spirit. In the Greek New Testament, only the term pneuma (in its various grammatical forms) is used for “Spirit”. Cradle Catholic here, pre-Vatican II, and I was raised at a time when Holy Ghost was the normal term in RC liturgies and prayers. He is a personage of spirit, without a body of flesh and bones. ” and Paul Sumner’s Hebrew Streams.) Retired, cranky, old physicist. – John Lawler Mar 24 '14 at 17:34. Tradition has only to do with the teachings of the Church not whether we kneel.To be bent on kneeling alone is to go against the Church. “Spirit” sounds dry and impersonal. If MAN would have left the Bible alone the way God intended there wouldn’t be so much competition over what GOD SAID. No, Mart, that is a very dangerous heresy (which will lead you to numerous false heretical cults, like the Jehovah’s “witnesses”). It brought me back to an earlier time when student wore coats and ties, and strove for learning and moral insight. One of the biggest reasons I did this is because I noted a precision in the KJV that simply isn’t available in any other translation. St. Michael is an angel, not God. We need a return to traditional practices such as: placing tabernacles in the center of the altar, receiving the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue, traditional Latin liturgy, proper liturgical music (Gregorian Chant), dressing our BEST for Mass, women veiled in Church, and yes, even saying Holy Ghost. The third person in the blessed Trinity. The Hebrew word for “spirit” is ruach, which also can mean breath or wind. The Holy Ghost,The Holy Spirit, Arch Angel Michael (name means who is like God) are the same person, Father Son and Michael are the trinity. Thus our Shakespearean tongue can often have up to 10 different expressions for merely one or two words in available in another – and all with their own differing nuance; simply a magnificent language! I have faith there is a perfect Bible in that, God’s word is perfectly preserved in a translation. Cf. THANK YOU, Randy. Elbert White | Director of Church Relations. Ils ont le Saint-Esprit, l'Esprit de Dieu, [...] la puissance de Dieu, en eux. Not even middle age and the only parallel I can draw is someone who never went through the depression longing for Prohibition. The Holy Spirit enters our mind, which is also a mystery. Great Bible study Bob! See the Wikipedia article about the Holy Ghost Fathers, the Spiritan web-site, and the articles about des Places and Liberman. Thanks Dave and Matt for your comments. 4. Ex : garçon - nm > On dira "le garçon" ou "un garçon".The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Christian Trinity. I am going to “retrain my tongue” to use the term “Holy Ghost” when referring to the third Person of the Trinity, and using the word “spirit” when referring to the “spirit of the Lord.” It is not the first time I have had to work hard to retrain the tongue to rid myself of modern, evangelical pablum (or outright error). Ugh. Holy Ghost Distillery, Inc. 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